Trance suit info wanted (better than tank!, which one is best?)

[Ganymed]

In early 1990th I took a couple of times some hour in an isolation tank of a brain studio for mind expansion. It felt like becoming one with the cosm, and I liked it, although it didn't fully satisfy me, since I felt a little lost in the tank. Unfortunately the studio closed its doors already a year later, and there is no other location with isolation tanks nearby.

Although I own some vintage opto-acoustical mind machines, this is not the same, and in my small flat I have no space for a tank.

A year ago on an esoterics convention I found a friend who had a trance suit. The suit covered the whole body and was of very soft bluish latex. The brand name was something with "Orgon" in its name, but I don't remember well the rest. The head was covered by a hood of the same material; it had no eye holes and was inflatable like the rest of the suit. I had 2 times the occasion to try it out for a few hours in his single room flat, and I found this even much more satisfying than the tank. The sensation in this inflated suit on his bed was so wonderful gentle and mellow, where the tank gave only sheer void and emptiness. IMO this experience is far superior to isolation tanks. Another benefit of such a suit versus tank is that it fits in its small plastic container even into the smallest flat. The hood also contained 2 yellow LEDs in front of the eyes, those light shone though its beige inner latex skin; this way the hood could be connected to the cable of a mind machine, but the battery was dead, so I didn't use it. The friend explained that these suits needs to be washed and cared after use and then had to dry for some hours on the bed before putting it back into its box. But it is clearly worth the effort.

The suit was stored rolled up in a bluish plastic container, which was a kind of oval with round ends (between a big pill and a rugby ball) and had the golden brand logo on it. (It may have been something like "Orgon-!Ra", but the 2nd part may also have been foreign characters.) However my friend was a little strange; he seemed to be some kind of cultist, and after he moved to another city, I never heard of him again. Now I want to buy my own trance suit, but which one is best? I already googled for info, but all I found on the web was this FAQ about trance suit use in autism therapy.

Which company makes nowadays the best trance suits?

I could not find a suit company named with "Orgon" - have they gone out of business? The closest looking suit to what my friend had is a model by Reactor Rubberwear with integrated mittens, which is ugly black with no feet and has the absurd name "Inflatable Slave bodysuit". But how durable are they? The FAQ does not recommend the company. Is their molded latex material really so much worse than Cocoon? The thing is pretty expensive, and before I pay too much, I look for more opinions. Is there perhaps a cheaper company that makes the same type of trance suits?



Years ago someone emailed me photos of a light pink trance suit variant (also in my gallery page) that matches it even closer than the mentioned Reactor suit. But does anybody know who made it? Or was this specimen completely custom-made?

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Originally Posted by Ganymed

In early 1990th I took a couple of times some hour in an isolation tank of a brain studio for mind expansion. It felt like becoming one with the cosm, and I liked it, although it didn't fully satisfy me, since I felt a little lost in the tank. Unfortunately the studio closed its doors already a year later, and there is no other location with isolation tanks nearby.

Although I own some vintage opto-acoustical mind machines, this is not the same, and in my small flat I have no space for a tank.

A year ago on an esoterics convention I found a friend who had a trance suit. The suit covered the whole body and was of very soft bluish latex. The brand name was something with "Orgon" in its name, but I don't remember well the rest. The head was covered by a hood of the same material; it had no eye holes and was inflatable like the rest of the suit. I had 2 times the occasion to try it out for a few hours in his single room flat, and I found this even much more satisfying than the tank. The sensation in this inflated suit on his bed was so wonderful gentle and mellow, where the tank gave only sheer void and emptiness. IMO this experience is far superior to isolation tanks. Another benefit of such a suit versus tank is that it fits in its small plastic container even into the smallest flat. The hood also contained 2 yellow LEDs in front of the eyes, those light shone though its beige inner latex skin; this way the hood could be connected to the cable of a mind machine, but the battery was dead, so I didn't use it. The friend explained that these suits needs to be washed and cared after use and then had to dry for some hours on the bed before putting it back into its box. But it is clearly worth the effort.

The suit was stored rolled up in a bluish plastic container, which was a kind of oval with round ends (between a big pill and a rugby ball) and had the golden brand logo on it. (It may have been something like "Orgon-!Ra", but the 2nd part may also have been foreign characters.) However my friend was a little strange; he seemed to be some kind of cultist, and after he moved to another city, I never heard of him again. Now I want to buy my own trance suit, but which one is best? I already googled for info, but all I found on the web was this FAQ about trance suit use in autism therapy.

Which company makes nowadays the best trance suits?

I could not find a suit company named with "Orgon" - have they gone out of business? The closest looking suit to what my friend had is a model by Reactor Rubberwear with integrated mittens, which is ugly black with no feet and has the absurd name "Inflatable Slave bodysuit". But how durable are they? The FAQ does not recommend the company. Is their molded latex material really so much worse than Cocoon? The thing is pretty expensive, and before I pay too much, I look for more opinions. Is there perhaps a cheaper company that makes the same type of trance suits?



Years ago someone emailed me photos of a light pink trance suit variant (also in my gallery page) that matches it even closer than the mentioned Reactor suit. But does anybody know who made it? Or was this specimen completely custom-made?

prety weird suit man ! look like some fethis suits.... not shure about this.Also this info is spamed all over forums !

[Ganymed]

prety weird suit man ! look like some fethis suits.... not shure about this.Also this info is spamed all over forums !

No, I do not spam. I only search for information, because I found nothing about this device. And I seriously doubt that it was simply some "fetish" suit. This suit came with quite a tome of instruction manual (dark blue binding with starry sky background, about 1 inch thick) with many diagrams to explain its many functions, which would be untypical for just a sex toy. I already asked latex fetish companies, and they also couldn't tell me who made it. Rather it may have been some religious cult device (similar like Scientology's emeter) that was manufactured for internal use only and not sold outside, since my friend was member of an ufo cult or something like that. (But don't hoax now that it was an extraterrestial object. This thing was clearly man-made and looked like some kind of stylish serial product.)

In 1980th a lot of interesting mind machines were made, those nobody knows anymore. I e.g. like the old analog ones, where you could tweak the knobs while the program is running (which was not recommended in their manual). The difference between them an the later preprogrammed models is like between having an e-guitar and only a CD full of e-guitar music. The thing of the "Orgon-!Ra"(?) suit had a kind of live controller. It resembled a big, semi-spherical failsafe button (or the old C64 computer's "Quickshot Joyball" controller) and it could be moved like an analog joystick (also through the inflated mittens of the suit). I think you could also push it down and turn it somehow to control your trip. Unfortunately the rechargable battery was bad and turned the unit off after a minute, so I couldn't really try it out.

Do you know where to find such a suit? (Old mind machines are generally hard to find - yet there is no "vintage market" (unlike with musical instruments) for them. And when things are of latex, they have the tendency to be soon discarded once they start to decompose by wrong treatment or otherwise get damaged, which makes them even harder to find later.)

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come on :

your agenda is clear and you are doing cut and past post on forums all over it .

get lost.

google:Ganymed trance suits

[Ganymed]

Damned, whom and where else should I ask?! I only asked a serious question because I want a serious answer. That's all. When I would intend to buy a used Synchro Energizer (a very expensive professional mind machine from 1980th), it would be likely as hard find and I would need to ask in multiple forums also. What the #$%&* is there so hard to understand?

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Unapproved Devices Seized

An Ohio judge recently ordered the destruction of 61 Relaxman Synchro-energizers--gadgets consisting of glasses, headphones, and a control box producing sound and flashing light patterns. The manufacturer had promoted and distributed the device as a solution to myriad health problems, without supporting documentation of their safety and effectiveness and without complying with FDA medical device regulations.
On Feb. 23, 1995, Judge Ann Aldrich, of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Ohio, ordered the destruction of the unapproved medical devices, manufactured by Meta Brain/Mind Biomedical Research Foundation, Cleveland, Ohio, and worth approximately $30,000.
FDA's investigation of Meta Brain began Sept. 1, 1992, when the agency's San Francisco district office received a consumer complaint that a Synchro-energizer device caused a seizure in a 21-year-old woman. The woman, who had never had a seizure before, had used the device as part of a work-related stress reduction seminar. A physician who examined the woman afterwards confirmed that she had had a seizure.
In response to the complaint, beginning on Nov. 9, FDA investigators Stephen J. Kilker and Donald F. Fernholz, from the agency's Brunswick, Ohio, resident post, inspected Meta Brain.
During the inspection, the investigators learned that the firm's owner, Krystina J. Rymsky, had not submitted a premarket approval application to FDA for the Relaxman and had not registered the firm with the agency. The investigators explained to Rymsky that because of these violations, FDA could initiate legal action against the goods, the firm, and the responsible individuals.
Rymsky said she would register the company and file premarket approval notifications. However, she never followed through.
During the inspection, the investigators collected labeling and promotional materials for the Relaxman. Jerilyn Glass, M.D., a neurologist with FDA's Center for Devices and Radiological Health, reviewed the materials and found numerous health claims for the device, including control of pain, habits and addictions, and improved digestion and sexual function.
According to the promotional literature, the Relaxman achieved these beneficial effects by changing electrical brainwave activity.
A search of the scientific literature through FDA's Medical Library revealed that no well-designed studies or investigations had been published in peer-reviewed scientific journals to demonstrate the safety or effectiveness of the Relaxman device for these purposes.
In addition, the promotional literature did not adequately warn about the danger of seizure. A statement in the device's user guide did warn that people with "any history whatsoever [of] epilepsy or brain seizures" should not use the device "except under the direct supervision and/or order of [a] licensed M.D., Ph.D., or other qualified health care professional." However, Glass says, the warning was inadequate, because it did not warn that all users, even those with no prior history of seizure or epilepsy, could be at risk.
On Dec. 11, 1992, Evelyn D. Forney, a compliance officer with FDA's Cincinnati district office, recommended to the agency's Center for Devices and Radiological Health that all Relaxman devices in Meta Brain's possession be seized.
The center agreed, but asked that the district verify that the firm was still selling the device. On May 11, 1993, FDA investigator Frederick M. Lochner called Meta Brain and requested information about the Relaxman. He received promotional materials similar to the ones collected during the November inspection.
On July 28, 1993, at FDA's request, a seizure complaint was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Ohio. The complaint charged that the devices:

• had no approved application for premarket approval and were not exempt from this requirement
• had not been listed with FDA as required, and no premarket notification was provided to FDA
• had false or misleading labeling
• did not have adequate directions for use
• were a danger to health when used as recommended in the labeling
• lacked adequate warnings concerning potential health hazards.

The devices were seized on Aug. 3, 1993. Rymsky filed a response to the seizure admitting that the seized goods were devices, but generally denying the other allegations in the complaint.
On Nov. 22, 1994, the Justice Department, on FDA's behalf, filed a motion for summary judgment requesting the devices be condemned as adulterated and misbranded and be forfeited to the United States. The motion also requested that Rymsky pay all costs and fees as required by law. Rymsky did not respond, and on Feb. 23, 1995, the court granted the government's motion. At press time the devices were in possession of the U.S. marshals, awaiting destruction.
--Isadora B. Stehlin

that divice was under FDA attention . take caution . i remind you this forum is about FLOAT-TANKS not trance suit or else . Thank-you

[WoodWinds]

Okay trance suits? Call me a skeptic. Getting back to floating.....

The reason floating in an isolation/floatation/etc tank "works" is because one has their sensory input reduced to an absolute minimum. Light is reduced to near nothing (nill for all intents and purposes), temperature of surroundings is made to equal body temperature, the effects of gravity are minimalized by using bouyancy in water (simulation of zero gravity...closest you can get without a ride into space or on that special jet which gives a few minutes of zero-G), audio is reduced to as close to nothing as possible (although some like to use noise and/or aural beats to drown out the sound of the thumping of the heart and the sound of breathing).

Long story short, floating seems to come as close to sensory reduction to nearly-nill as possible. How does a trance-suit take away the feeling of gravity in a way that floating IN water can do? I'm curious. Because it would seem that without taking away the sensation of gravity (as well as one can), then that particular sensory perception will continue to be perceived, and in the absence of other senses, will have the illusion of being amplified or noticed much more, would it not?

To the person posting the original question, my advice would be to stop searching for some ellusive trance-suit and if you want something to induce out-of-body experiences, astral projection, etc, then look into just owning a waterbed and buy yourself the Robert Monroe audio CD's. Better yet, maybe book yourself for a workshop or two at the Monroe Institute's ranch. That is, before the FDA actually is consistent in pursuing ALL offenders (of their stupid laws) equally under the law and goes after ALL businesses and products which advertize unsubstantiated claims of being able to relieve/treat illness or disease.

The trance suit's being recalled....seems like from the previous post (Centaure) that the FDA *only* recalled that product because of the law (unconstitutional policy, not law if you ask me) because the company was FOOLISH enough to make claims of it treating illness...which puts that company in that category of being a charlatain one. I can see both sides of that argument. If the FDA didn't restrict such outrageous and unsubtantiated claims then we'd be back in the day and age when people sold 'snake oil'. But the opposite side of that coin is now the FDA can mandate that you must jump through THEIR 'hoops' and incur OUTRAGEOUS costs just to bring a homeopathic remedy-to-illness to the people. How long before the FDA begins outlawing floatation tanks or restricting their use and design so that one can't own/operate one even in their own home (legally)? I am afraid to even ask that question online - lest the ever watchful 'big brother' be awakened to it all and see my words here and come swooping down on floatation tanks with all their ignorance and Nazi-like prohibitionist might.

Sorry for the rant, but I think everything has been true and relevant

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Originally Posted by WoodWinds

Okay trance suits? Call me a skeptic. Getting back to floating.....

The reason floating in an isolation/floatation/etc tank "works" is because one has their sensory input reduced to an absolute minimum. Light is reduced to near nothing (nill for all intents and purposes), temperature of surroundings is made to equal body temperature, the effects of gravity are minimalized by using bouyancy in water (simulation of zero gravity...closest you can get without a ride into space or on that special jet which gives a few minutes of zero-G), audio is reduced to as close to nothing as possible (although some like to use noise and/or aural beats to drown out the sound of the thumping of the heart and the sound of breathing).

Long story short, floating seems to come as close to sensory reduction to nearly-nill as possible. How does a trance-suit take away the feeling of gravity in a way that floating IN water can do? I'm curious. Because it would seem that without taking away the sensation of gravity (as well as one can), then that particular sensory perception will continue to be perceived, and in the absence of other senses, will have the illusion of being amplified or noticed much more, would it not?

To the person posting the original question, my advice would be to stop searching for some ellusive trance-suit and if you want something to induce out-of-body experiences, astral projection, etc, then look into just owning a waterbed and buy yourself the Robert Monroe audio CD's. Better yet, maybe book yourself for a workshop or two at the Monroe Institute's ranch. That is, before the FDA actually is consistent in pursuing ALL offenders (of their stupid laws) equally under the law and goes after ALL businesses and products which advertize unsubstantiated claims of being able to relieve/treat illness or disease.

The trance suit's being recalled....seems like from the previous post (Centaure) that the FDA *only* recalled that product because of the law (unconstitutional policy, not law if you ask me) because the company was FOOLISH enough to make claims of it treating illness...which puts that company in that category of being a charlatain one. I can see both sides of that argument. If the FDA didn't restrict such outrageous and unsubtantiated claims then we'd be back in the day and age when people sold 'snake oil'. But the opposite side of that coin is now the FDA can mandate that you must jump through THEIR 'hoops' and incur OUTRAGEOUS costs just to bring a homeopathic remedy-to-illness to the people. How long before the FDA begins outlawing floatation tanks or restricting their use and design so that one can't own/operate one even in their own home (legally)? I am afraid to even ask that question online - lest the ever watchful 'big brother' be awakened to it all and see my words here and come swooping down on floatation tanks with all their ignorance and Nazi-like prohibitionist might.

Sorry for the rant, but I think everything has been true and relevant

i know all about the FDA. no problem. try to keep forum purpose.